Originally by: Nox Solaris

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In a word:

Yes. Otherwise 0.0 would just be a great big huge empty void even with 60 in local.

To up that: Local should have all of the settings that your overview does.

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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Local has already been SEVERELY nerfed for defensive purposes. The delay on how fast it refreshes does not help defensive operations at all, but massively helps roving gangs.

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Originally by: Tammarr

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Local plausible explanation:
Stargates, they activate, monitor and keep statistics on who goes in our out, makes sense.
Also ofc they broadcast: Hey, this guy just entered system.
All talk in local is made on the systems own frequency of communication also handed out once entering so you can call for help, request repairs, talk a little with other pilots to ease the lonlyness of space.

Thus local makes perfect sense in a spacegame.

Changing it to constellation:
This is actually the one idea practicaly useable and that can be kept plausible to satisfy the diffrent sides.

"Constellation local":
Since space is vast and theres many systems and ftl travel etc you might end up needing to call for help and such, but noone might be there for you in "local" thus the stargate network setup communication inside a constellation in order to make it possible to reach more people.
You still should have a "local is # pilots" updated due to sg handling and information going out, but you dont know whom are in your exact system unless you check.

I think I've written more than 2 cents worth.

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Originally by: Xelios

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No, we don't need to get rid of local. We just need probes that are faster and easier to use, ie. not requiring 3 of them and 2 minutes per scan. And those are coming in Kali.

Even changing local to show just numbers isn't going to solve any problems. Say someone is ratting, they see local go up to 2 people one of two things will happen a) "Oh I better start scanning now and stay aligned for warp" or b) "I better warp to a safe until I'm alone again". It's not going to do a thing for the hunter and make the defender's job that much more tedious.

On the other hand of the spectrum we have the complete local nerf, which is going to make everyone even more cautious, make travel, mining or ratting even more tedious and make the hunter's job far too easy. Lets say a ratter is using the scanner for 2 hours constantly, finally he sees a hostile on it and warps to a safe. That hostile knows he warped to a safe by using the scanner, hostile cloaks. Now what? Has the hostile left the system? Has he logged off? Has he cloaked? Ratter has two options, either log off or go back to ratting. If he goes back to ratting the hostile simply waits until he shows up on scanner, pinpoints the belt, decloaks and warps in before the ratter has any idea he's still there.

IF local is to be nerfed there has to be an entirely new system put in place of it, one that relies on 'sentry probes' or something of that nature for instance.

And no, local chat is not unrealistic. To get into a system you need to use a gate, and there's no reason that gate couldn't track who uses it. From there, to explain it in RP terms, it's a simple matter of your ship checking the gate's logs.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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Any change to local should be global. Empire or 0.0, the local chat is used for three things only and thats spamming, smacktalk and early warning detection.

If you want to spam, email, if you want to chat, convo, if you want an EWACS then scan.

There are already solutions to local.

Its a game. If your too scared to fight then go to empire. If your not willing to escort, guard or patrol then you dont deserve to keep me out of your systems. Its quite a simple concept.

IF YOUR NOT PREPARED TO DO AS MUCH WORK TO PROTECT YOURSELF AS I DO TO FIND YOU AND KILL YOU THEN BAD LUCK.

See its simple.

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As has been explained a dozen times already, all an attacker has to do is go to the obvious systems where people are, scan about 3 times and jump in on a mining operation to gank.

In contrast, defenders will have to push the scan button every five goddamn seconds for hours and hours and hours while mining or risk being ganked.

If you call that 'AS MUCH WORK'...

Attacker without local has it easy, defense is impossible.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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Any change to local should be global. Empire or 0.0, the local chat is used for three things only and thats spamming, smacktalk and early warning detection.

If you want to spam, email, if you want to chat, convo, if you want an EWACS then scan.

There are already solutions to local.

Its a game. If your too scared to fight then go to empire. If your not willing to escort, guard or patrol then you dont deserve to keep me out of your systems. Its quite a simple concept.

IF YOUR NOT PREPARED TO DO AS MUCH WORK TO PROTECT YOURSELF AS I DO TO FIND YOU AND KILL YOU THEN BAD LUCK.

See its simple.

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As has been explained a dozen times already, all an attacker has to do is go to the obvious systems where people are, scan about 3 times and jump in on a mining operation to gank.

In contrast, defenders will have to push the scan button every five goddamn seconds for hours and hours and hours while mining or risk being ganked.

If you call that 'AS MUCH WORK'...

Attacker without local has it easy, defense is impossible.

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Ascendant Frontier has almost 4000 members - 3000 active?.

If you cant defend your space with 3000 people then its obvious that you have tried to take too much. Concentrate your force into a smaller area. Problem solved.

Its unreasonable to expect to take 10% of the systems in EvE using only 1% or less of the playerbase.

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You obviously don't have a clue wtf you're talking about. Of all those systems under ASCN control, 70% is worth nothing, the only reason they are under ASCN control is because we need to go through them to get to other good systems. Population is mostly packed into small areas inside those regions.

And even with 50 people in local you cannot defend a mining op against invisible gankers you don't even know are there.
A covetor dies in seconds to a ganker, not even 20 battleships can save him.

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Originally by: Ob Noxious

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Remove local and make all of Eve 1.0, problem solved.

Removing local will ruin a big part of the social aspect, talking to others you see in system. I see many players leaving Eve if that happens due to it turning into an FPS for those that want it removed.

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Originally by: PeeWee Pee

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Originally by: Adam C

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the gist I am getting here is, players like to have anonymity?

"The Radar idea" is prolly the best one. However it needs to be seemless for the fun factor to remain (or succeed)
There could be a radical new system of ui changes which provides a hugely different experience of entering a new solar system. by providing sound/visual stimulation to (i) starships with their warpdrive ative? (ii)ships matching hostile signatures?

a basic example of pro and con for local channels; -

+ Players like to experience a new situation when entering a solor system.
- Prolly not to switch solar systems to hunt for chat-channels for their epeens.

The game shouldnt be dominated by a chat channel make this more optional by choosing that.


If u take anything out of my lil post, let it be "different experience of entering a new solar system"

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dude, sounds like some forum carebears really starving desperatily for killmails. why would anybody want to get rid of local chatz to gank some 0.0 carebears if not for padding stats. roaming stabbed out gank sqats are for losers. besides we no carebears you low sec pirate wannabes quit hiding in your npc stations with instas get rid of that then we get rid of localz no problems. you aint much better than your typical solo gate sniper in .4 Ohh riiiight that be you in the other thread too!

you give rof penalty to stabbers on those vagabonds then be fair nerf da localz! otherwise it just give gank lobbyist another score and us eve players lose from this!

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Isn't disagreement annoying...

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Originally by: eLLioTT wave

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make 0.0 local = regional, shows all people in region instead of local so you can chat but not know where each other are.

bye bye magic intel wand

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Originally by: Permian

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When you cloak do you disappear from local?

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 20/07/2006 14:23:06

Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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Originally by: Permian

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When you cloak do you disappear from local?

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No

I have a thought - Lets call it Local Change Thought No. 1002003002

(1) Each system has a scanner tower that can be located by probes.

(2) The scanner tower broadcasts Local information to everyone in space.

(3) They can be destroyed by a small fleet in a few hours or a single ship in a day or so.

(4) They have a respawn of 12 hours.

(5) If a tower is under attack its noticable by a [Show Scanner Towers Under Attack] option on the map.

(6) Anyone attacking a tower in high sec is criminal flagged.


There you go. If you dont want local then you can blow it up and have no local. If you want local you can stop people blowing it up by checking the map and going to stop them.

Next!

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I'd favor the ability to remove the transponder when out in 0.0, this move will of course flag you as a criminal if you go back inside without enabling it again and should leave you open for the odd managable Concord spawns in 0.0.

Yes Concord in 0.0 looking for people like you, whilst people keeping the transponder in 0.0 are left alone by these Concord spawns.

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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oh, and it would be absolutely manditory to also have a way to know if a Covert ops was in system with you.

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Originally by: PeeWee Pee

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Originally by: Infinity Ziona

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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oh, and it would be absolutely manditory to also have a way to know if a Covert ops was in system with you.

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Yeah cause there should be no unpleasant surprises in EvE ever. Thats why we have mandatory alt scouts and ****. Thats a very retarded attitude to have and one that seems to be in epidemic proportions in this game. GAME. GAAAAME. So what if you die.

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make sence dude. no risk in dying especially when you gotz t2 mass producing altz sitting in da empire generating isk for you pirate habitz!

want balance get rid of da empire make it 0.0 everywhere you go

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Originally by: L'Ermite

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Edited by: L''Ermite on 21/07/2006 14:10:25
The op claims that none fighters are the only ones that want local to stay that is not true. local is needed and should stay. Think of local as a advance system scanner or early warning systems. To me the only one that want it to go is the griefers. There would be many things that would need fixed before dev's should even think about changing local.
The ability to create login traps needs to go away. Gate ganking of all forms.

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